This call was in response to a story where Victoria Zdrok said she dated Donald Trump. He called the publisher of Steppin' Out Magazine, Chaunce Hayden, the week of February 9, 2004. The exact date is not available. Hayden recorded the call.
Chaunce, my man.
Am I fired?
How are you? No, they'll never never fire you, Chaunce. [Laughter] Hey Chaunce, we've been good to your magazine with The Apprentice. You saw the ratings? It went the number one... I mean, it's... it's killing it.
The show is huge.
It's huge. The biggest thing on... the NBC people just left. They said it's the biggest show they've had since Friends.
As... well it's what we both predicted.
Yeah, that's true. Chaunce, this person? I don't even know who the hell she is. I never took her out. I don't know who she is. And, by the way, based on her picture, I would never take her. She looks like a fucking third-rate hooker. I mean, give me a break. I never took this girl out.
She... she claims she went on four dates.
I never took her out. She's full of shit.
I know...
And take a look... hey Chaunce, look, I have good taste in women.
Right.
Take a look at her picture.
[Laughter]
First of all, she's not a Playboy... because she's like a... a Playboy-something girl, they say. Number one. Anything... it's all bullshit. I never took her out. When did... how long ago was this? Ten years ago?
Did you read her quote? She said that, I guess, you were considering using her for an ad campaign?
That's bullshit. That's just total bullshit. And number one... number two, who the fuck... I... I use models for that. I don't use Playboy people for that stuff.
That's right. She said, I guess, she contacted Playboy promotions.
No, but I don't use Playboy people for that. We use models.
You know...
It's total bullshit, Chaunce.
=I sent her a couple of emails already trying to get her to respond to me and I haven't heard back from her.
It's total bullshit. I have no idea... except... I know, I know one thing. She called up the office like ten different times...
Right.
Years ago. This is like five years ago. That's the only reason... because it was an unusual spelling. I never took her out. She wanted to go out. Did Norma tell you that she used to call?
She said that she would call the office nonstop, yeah.
Yeah. And that's the only reason I recognize the name. That was like five, six, seven years ago. [Crosstalk]
So you're dealing with a lunatic?
No, you're dealing with ancient history, number one, and you're dealing with a person that I never took out. And, based on her picture I would never take out. I don't... she's not even attractive.
[Laughter] Right, right.
Otherwise, she's not a good looking girl.
She's in her mid-thirties now. Well, she is Penthouse Pet of the Year.
When?
This year. 2004.
A Penthouse... who the hell wants a Penthouse Pet. Penthouse is gone. It's bankrupt. It's over. I mean, Penthouse, she's a 35-year-old Penthouse Pet. That's pretty pathetic. Hey Chaunce, give me a break. You shouldn't write a store like that. That's bullshit.
Alright.
You think I'm want to go out with a Penthouse Pet? Penthouse... I thought it was Playboy.
Well, she was Playboy. She's the only girl ever to do both. That's her claim to fame.
Ah, just, she's... she's... ah, forget it. I... I never took her out...
So she's riding your coattails. She's trying to hop on...
Hey, excuse me. This is the fourth time that this has happened to me in the last two weeks.
The show...
You know, the show went to number one. I don't know, you just saw that, I guess.
Yeah, now the girls are coming out out the woodwork?
Well, at least two of them, actually I did date, and actually, they were very nice. They said great things about me.
And this is one who...
I had another one that's said terrible about me, but I never even heard of her. At least this one, I heard of because she used to call the office.
Right.
And I never... I didn't speak to her. But.. but look...
Okay.
It's total bullshit, and you know, it's not right to have somebody ride the coats. You know, that, the... the only reason I call you about it, it'd be easy just not to call you, so, or nobody gives a shit. The truth is it's just so fucking false. I don't like to let them get away with this crap.
That's, that's what I need to hear.
So anyway, and I, you know, we always treat you good. I talked about... we always treat you guys good. You sold a lot of magazines with us, though.
Did you see the issue?
I thought it was amazing. That's why I wanted to call you up.
[Crosstalk] copies from all over the country.
No, I know... it's, it's, you know, TV Guide. I mean, I'll give you a real story. The biggest selling TV Guide in two years, was the one this week, this last week.
You're kidding.
The biggest... and you sort of knew that. It was a great cover.
It's unbelievable, Donald.
But it's crazy. I mean, you know, pretty soon I'll have to give up the real estate business, right?
[Laughter]
Anyway, I'd better not do that.
No, that's what you love.
I better not count on that. So anyway... but it's, you know, it's fine... I have had this. I've had four. Two were really nice. In fact, one of the two, two were really nice. One of the two, I didn't go out with her. But she said the nicest things. I said, ah, fuck, who cares? I mean, she was saying I was the greatest, the best, I said, ah, she said that? Who cares? But, you know, they come out of the woodwork and won't... many of them, it's just false shit to get publicity. I mean, a 35-year-old Penthouse Pet? I would never go out with anybody that did Penthouse, because that's the worst. That's like the lowest of the low. You understand.
That's when it's over
It's over. I mean, if I can think, I mean what they show in Penthouse is so gross, that's why it's out of business.
Yeah.
So anyway, listen, I appreciate it Chaunce. How are you doing otherwise?
Okay. I'm thinking AJ Benza had something to do with it. He may be behind this.
Well, see, he.. what happened is I stole his girlfriend from him.
I remember that.
Okay, and when I stole... this is off the record.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think he does, because he wrote me... actually, he's another one that came out of the woodwork. This is off the record.
Right, right. [Audio ends. Remainder of call is off the record]