So, you brought how many paintings into the Oval Office this time? Very different from the first one.
[Laura Ingraham interviewed Donald Trump at The White House on March 18, 2025. The interview aired on Fox News' "The Ingraham Angle" that evening. The transcript was provided by Fox News and cross-checked and confirmed for accuracy. Transcript and video courtesy and copyright Fox News.]
Well, I'm going to show you a lot. It's much different, never been like that. You had some of those paintings in vaults and safes for 100 years.
Mr. President, thank you so much for joining us.
Wow.
Thank you.
They haven't been exposed.
We got a readout of your call with Vladimir Putin, and it was a fairly optimistic take. Vladimir Putin agreed to a cease-fire immediately on energy and infrastructure --
How did you pick --
Right.
I went by the presidents. I picked presidents, all -- almost all presidents, some Supreme Court justices -- after you.
-- but not to a 30-day cease-fire. Tell us what happened.
Are you -- are you paving over the grass here?
Well, you have a situation where you have a lot of guns pointing at each other, foolishly, because it would have never happened if I were president. That was not a war that was supposed to happen. And it did happen. So, that's where we are. And, right now, you have a lot of guns pointing at each other. And the cease-fire, without going a little bit further, would have been tough.
What was happening is it's supposed to have events. Every event you have, it's soaking wet.
Russia has the advantage, as you know. They have encircled about 2,500 soldiers. They are nicely encircled, and that's not good. And we want to get it over with. Look, we're doing this. There are no Americans involved. There could be if you have end up in World War III over this, which is so ridiculous, but strange things happen.
Yeah.
And I think we had a great call. It lasted almost two hours. Talked about a lot of things, and toward getting it to peace. And we talked about other things also.
It's soaking wet. And people can't -- and the women with the high heels, it's just too much.
Was there non-negotiables mentioned by Putin? It was reported that -- I think the Kremlin media actually stated that he demanded an immediate cessation of aid to Ukraine in order to get to this multistep deal.
That's where you did the Kavanaugh --
No, he didn't -- we didn't talk about aid, actually. We didn't talk about aid at all. We talked about a lot of things, but aid was never discussed.
That's where we did --
In the readout, it also stated that both sides want to get to an improved bilateral relationship, the United States and Russia.
Kavanaugh thing.
That's true.
That's right.
How can we trust that Vladimir Putin actually wants that and that he's not also being influenced at the same time by his close friend President Xi of China?
Amy Coney Barrett.
Well, look, we have our own discussions with President Xi of China, and he wants to get along also. And he's looking to get along and we're looking to get along with him. And we will. We have a problem with trade, where we have a very big imbalance with China. With Russia, we don't have that much trade. And they'd like to and we'd like to also.
And -- and the grass just -- it doesn't work and we have a gorgeous stone and everything else.
They have some very valuable things for us, including very big forms of rare earth. They have a lot of earth. They have a big chunk of real estate, the biggest -- actually the biggest in the world for a country by far. And on that, they have things that we could use, frankly, and they -- that other people could use.
OK.
I think that President Xi would like to get along and I think Russia wants to get along with the United States. I also think we're a much different country than we were just a few months ago. We're a country that's now respected. We were not respected. We were being laughed at. We had incompetent leadership.
But, you know, we use it for press conferences, and it doesn't work because the people fall into the -- you know, into the wet --
This was a war, as an example, that would have never happened if I were president.
The roses stay, the grass goes?
Is part of your desire to forge this new relationship with Russia also impacted by Russia's closer relationship since you left office in 2021 with China? Because I think you talked about before the desire to box out China from that part of the world and have a closer relationship with Russia.
The roses stay. No, it's a rose garden. No, all of this is just the center section. It's going to -- I think it's going to be beautiful. I think it's going to be more beautiful. Look at that view over there. See that?
Yes. So, as a student of history, which I am, and I have watched it all, the first thing you learn is, you don't want Russia and China to get together. With that being said, no, it's not a big part of it, but maybe that will happen or maybe it won't. Obama really forced them together through energy and bad energy policies and what he did, so many different things.
Pretty nice.
He forced a marriage which would never have taken place. It was not a natural, and for one reason. Russia has tremendous land, a lot of land, and China doesn't have enough land. Russia has a much smaller population than China. And it's sort of a natural -- it was always a natural enemy situation. They're probably friendly now.
Look at that. How is that, pretty good?
But we're going to be friendly with both. I think we're going to be friendly with both. China needs us in terms of trade very badly and -- but we have to straighten out the deficit. We have now more than a trillion-dollar deficit with China. It's not even believable. And we're going to be doing something about that.
Pretty beautiful.
And with Russia, they would like to have some of our economic power.
It's a great place.
The criticism that you have heard since really 2015 is that you have more in common with Vladimir Putin than you do with globalist leaders, maybe some NATO leaders, and in this case with Zelenskyy. You're both nationalists. Zelenskyy's more of a globalist. How do you respond to that criticism?
So you thought there's no doubt you're -- you're coming back into office when you walked out of here?
Well, I am a nationalist, but I'm a nationalist for the United States, not for anybody else. And it's interesting, because there's nobody been tougher on Russia than me. I'm the one that pointed out Nord Stream 2, and I stopped it. Nord Stream is the biggest pipeline, I guess, in the world, taking care of all of Europe.
Well, I felt that, but I didn't know that.
And it was being built from before I got there. And they -- somehow, they were on the way. It was going to be -- and I stopped it. It was just stone-cold dead. I stopped it in its tracks. That's not somebody that's being particularly -- that was the biggest project they ever had. I had it stopped. When Biden got in, he immediately approved it, like immediately.
Is that a -- that's --
One of the first things he did in office was, he approved Nord Stream 2. Nobody ever heard of Nord Stream 2 until I was president. I said, what are you doing? You mean you're building a pipeline to Germany and various places in Europe. You're paying them billions of dollars a month, and then we're paying a lot of money to fight them.
Let me say it, I didn't know if I was going to run because I knew how much I won that election by. But if I -- if I thought I didn't win the election, I absolutely wouldn't have run.
This is not going to work out well. And it stopped. And then Biden approved it, which was a really stupid thing to do, but he did it. And Putin actually said to me: "If you're my friend, I'd hate to see you as my enemy." He said that very strongly. But I had -- with all of that, I had a very good relationship with Putin.
Wow.
I had a very good relationship with President Xi, a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, lots of good relationships. And that's a positive thing. That's not a negative thing. But, at the same time, I'm about our country. So that's why we're talking about tariffs. We will be taking in trillions of dollars to our country.
But because of the fact I did so well, it was such a horrible election.
I want to get to the tariffs in a minute, because we're going to first hit the other big news of the day --
But if you didn't run, they would never come after you legally. They never would have done all that to you. If you didn't run, they would have let you alone.
Sure.
I was told, so I took a big chance.
-- which was the chief justice of the Supreme Court issued what -- a rare statement about your suggestion on TRUTH that you posted earlier today that Judge James Boasberg should be impeached after he ordered those deportation flights to El Salvador halted, essentially turned around. The chief justice said, more than two centuries, we understood that, essentially, impeachment was for very rare circumstances and not an appropriate response to rulings you disagree with.
Yeah, you sure did.
What's your reaction to the courts stepping in to make a statement here? They didn't make a statement when Joe Biden decided to forgive all those student loans.
No, I took a big risk actually.
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And the mug shot --
Well, he didn't mention my name in the statement. I just saw it quickly. He didn't mention my name.
Nobody's ever told me that, what you just said. Nobody's ever said it. That's exactly correct. If I didn't run, none of this --
Yes.
Oh, no, no. They wouldn't have had any investigation. None of it would have happened.
But many people have called for his impeachment, the impeachment of this judge. I don't know who the judge is, but he's radical left. He was Obama-appointed. And he actually said we shouldn't be able to take criminals, killers, murderers, horrible, the worst people, gang members, gang leaders, that we shouldn't be allowed to take them out of our country.
They hated me, but you have to get on with your life.
Well, that's a presidential job. That's not for a local judge to be making that determination. And I thought it was terrible. In fact, he said when they were well on their way, he -- there was an order issued, as I understand it, to bring them back or to not let them go or something. And this is not something that the country would stand for.
They'd be on to the next target.
These people, they were let in here by an incompetent president who had open borders, and anybody throughout the world could come in. And we were given murderers. We were given people from mental institutions and prisons and drug wars.
Right.
A judge is essentially saying -- excuse me, Mr. President -- that this -- there still is a process in place. That's -- you can read between the lines. There hasn't been a full ruling yet. And I know your Justice Department is appealing this on a couple of different grounds. But this is leading people to wonder whether there are court orders that you will defy because you believe that the judge has no jurisdiction or they're political questions and not justiciable at all.
They would have been on to the next target.
And what would you say to that? Are there circumstances where you would defy a court order?
It's so interesting. You're right about that.
Well, I think that, number one, nobody's been through more courts than I have. I think nobody knows the courts any better than I have. I would say the chief judge does. But nobody knows them better than I have. And what they have done to me, I have had the worst judges. I have had crooked judges. I have judges that valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million because that benefited his case because he wanted to see me convicted of something.
Yeah. But that's a pretty big -- that's a -- that's a pretty big gamble.
I have judges that were -- had relatives making millions and millions of dollars on the election ruling on the election.
That was a big risk. So, this is the Oval Office, and we've spent a lot of time and a lot of effort. We've taken a lot of great paintings out of the vault. And I don't know, maybe you could circle that somehow. So, here's a question I ask. So, Reagan has a place of prominence and George Washington has a place of prominence -- prominence.
But, going forward, would you? Would you defy a court order?
And I've asked this question maybe 200 times, people come in. I said, "So, who would you put in the place of prominence, George Washington or Ronald Reagan? Who would you put?"
I had judges that were so corrupt.
Washington.
Because that -- we all know that. And that was outrageous.
So, far it's 219 to zero, and they like Reagan.
No, I never -- I never did defy a court order.
Oh, I love Reagan.
And you wouldn't in the future?
But here's what they like more than anything. So, this is the Declaration of Independence.
No, you can't do that. However, we have bad judges. We have very bad judges. And these are judges that shouldn't be allowed. I think they -- I think, at a certain point, you have to start looking at, what do you do when you have a rogue judge? The judge that we're talking about, he's -- you look at his other rulings, I mean, rulings unrelated.
Wow.
But having to do with me, he's a lunatic.
And they -- they ask that this be done. It's never been up. It's been in the vaults for many, many decades. And they said we have to do something like drapes or something because the light eventually affects it. And it's very cool.
He wants details of when flights departed and trying to -- I guess they seem to be trying to lay the predicate for your administration having defied a court order. Now, you all have said -- you haven't given specific times and you filed a motion in court, your Justice Department, to prevent any more information getting out about specific times of flights.
Oh, my gosh.
So that seems to be where this is going. Do you have faith that the Supreme Court ultimately will rule your -- in your favor in this case?
Isn't that great? Just went up yesterday.
I do, because the job of getting people out of our country that are murderers, that are absolutely the worst people, the drug lords, they're causing such problems in this country. Drug lords came in, the biggest of them. They left other countries to come in here. They came through an open border. They're making millions of dollars destroying people's lives, killing people.
Wow.
And that's a presidential thing. We're supposed to be getting them out or getting them brought to justice. We had a judge. I would call him a rogue judge. You can call him whatever you want. I know nothing about him. I heard about this very late in the process, and I said, that's a strange order. You have local judges, local federal judges, local judges, period, and DAs and prosecutors, DAs, state attorney generals, attorney generals that want to really take over.
You think Joe Biden would do this? I don't think so. Do you think he'd think of it? Do you think he knows what it is?
I think some of it's for the publicity. They love the publicity. All of a sudden, they're on the front page of every newspaper, but they have no right to be.
Oh, wow.
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No, but look at this. So -- but this was -- none of these pictures were up. You know, very few, like very little. And it's been -- it's been great.
Moving on to DOGE, Judge Theodore Chuang, he is a federal district court judge in Maryland, has ruled against the Trump administration's efforts, Mr. President, to shut down USAID, ordering the government on an accelerated basis to basically reinstate the agency's statutory functions. Your reaction to this development?
Now, there was a lot made on another network about you're bringing in the gold accents --
Look at the fraud that we have caught. We have caught so much fraud, so much waste, so many employees that never showed up to work, and we have a judge from a very liberal state who ruled like that. So bad for our country.
Yeah.
So I guess they closed the department. They're going to have to reopen the department.
To Trumpify the Oval Office.
Well, we will be appealing it, I guess. Not I guess. I guarantee you. We will be appealing it. We have rogue judges that are destroying our country.
It needed a little life.
Well, do you believe that, at this point, given the totality of these lawsuits, it's a cavalcade of lawsuits, that your administration could be further hampered, your agenda could be slowed down? They're throwing monkey wrenches at you with these judicial rulings.
So, you have the mantle and you have the cherubs from --
Well, we have to go through an appellate process. That takes a long time. We have a judge that wants that --
That's right. Yeah.
Do you have time?
Is that from Mar-A-Lago?
We have a judge --
Yeah. That's actually -- they're gold, all gold. Look. And, you know, it's angels. They say angels bring good luck, and we need a lot of luck in this country with what they've done over the last four years. So, take a look. Do you know that -- little secret? I don't know if you're going to waste your time putting this on. But throughout the years, people have tried to come up with a gold paint that would look like gold.
That's the point.
And they've never been able to do it.
We have time. We're going to be making a lot of money because of tariffs. The good news is, we have got it on -- we're going to very soon be on an even keel. We're going to be taking in a lot of money. The Trump card, the gold card, whatever they want to call, it's OK with me. Whatever's going to sell better is fine with me. It'd be nice to get a piece, but I don't get a piece, OK? I get nothing out of it. All I do is want to make this country successful again.
Can't do it.
We're taking in tremendous amounts of money. We have car companies that are building here who six months were going to build in Mexico, massive plants. They're building them in the United States. We have Honda is going to Indiana. We have them opening up in Michigan. It's amazing what's happening.
You've never been able -- look at that. Look. You've never been able to match gold with gold paint. That's why it's gold. And this is very important, very proud of this, Gulf of America. And in fact, Elon said to me, "You know, we're landing in the Gulf of America." So, he was saying -- and he said it naturally, he said it so routinely.
But judges -- but, for federal judges, district court judges, to order a sitting president to reinstate fired employees, that -- you're the chief executive officer of the United States.
He said, "Yeah, the capsule, you know, is landing in the Gulf of America." So, I called Elon, "Where is it dropping down?" He said, "Gulf of America." How cool is that right?
Yes. Yes.
What do you think all these presidents would think right now of the state of the country?
You order that these agencies be reviewed.
I think they'd be proud of our country. I think, a year ago, they would have been disgraced by our country. And I think today, they're proud of our country. This is the Resolute desk, by the way. I had that just redone by an unbelievable group. They -- they do only the White House furniture. They do only -- very special.
Fired employees, many of whom didn't even report to work, many of whom were scamming this country. And you see the same thing.
This is the Resolute desk. Many great presidents sat behind that desk, and many didn't. I mean, you know, they have seven -- when you're president, they give you a choice of seven desks. This is the one.
Yes.
Why -- why did you want this one?
I could read them off. And I did. During various speeches, I read off deal after deal after deal, all big scams.
Just like -- I like the history. You had Reagan, you had Kennedy. That was the famous one with John-John, who I knew very well, and he was a friend of mine. He was a great guy. He would have been maybe president someday. He would have been a real chance to be -- he was going to get into politics. He was actually a great guy, John-John.
Yes.
But remember, when he was a young boy, the picture of him at the bottom of the desk.
And we have a guy that wants to make a name for himself. In many cases, they're just grandstanders. They want to make a name for themselves. So we will appeal it. And, hopefully, we will meet with reasonable appeals. I have won great cases on appeals.
Where's the Coke button?
Yes, some of the -- maybe people weren't fired. Maybe they were temporarily put on -- suspended. So we will see how this plays out. But he's very unhappy with what happened at USAID.
It's right here.
In the end -- well, he shouldn't be. You know what he should do? He should really look at where the money went. They don't ever want to do that. The Democrats always talk about, oh, our Constitution's been violated. The one thing they never talk about is, where did these billions of dollars go? They never want to look.
Is that on the desk?
Because when you see where the money went and the scams, it's -- you don't even have to see anything. Just look at the heading and the scam that they have created. And a judge like him will never look at that. They will just say, oh, you want to -- it sounds so nice, USAID. Isn't that beautiful? But it's a whole big scam, Laura.
Everyone thinks that's the nuclear -- everyone thinks that's the nuclear weapon. They think it's a nuclear weapon. They say if I press this, it's the end of the world.
And a judge like that is so bad for our country.
Oh, and then there's like 50,000 --
Well, it'd be interesting to see whether you're able to shrink the size of this government. Every Republican president has claimed a desire to. Even Obama said, we have to find waste, fraud, and abuse, but you're actually doing it, and the judges are trying to stop you.
It doesn't seem to work out then.
We're doing it. By the way, we're doing it at levels never seen before.
Fifty thousand --
Lunatics are setting fire to Teslas all across the country. Another horrible incident happened in Las Vegas last night. The FBI is on the scene investigating, and there is an ongoing investigation being led by Pam Bondi. In what you have seen so far, do you consider what's happening an act of domestic political terrorism against one of your allies?
Doesn't that look beautiful, though, over there?
I do, sure. So Elon is a patriot. And, again, I didn't -- I hardly knew Elon until the election. And he turned out that he liked me better than he liked these radical lunatics that were -- better than Kamala, better than Joe, because he's an intelligent person. He liked -- and he backed me, and he went -- and he got very much involved.
Beautiful.
He thought -- he actually would go around saying, if Trump doesn't win, our country is over.
To me, you know, it looks beautiful. The Gulf of America, look at that.
But do you consider this an act of domestic terrorism?
Which one's better? Which one --
Sure. Sure. I think so.
I'll take the Declaration of Independence. I think so. Isn't that cool?
Why?
When's the first time you signed -- the way you sign your name, it's just people are so fascinated by it. Have you had that signature since you were little?
I think that, if and when they catch the people, and I hope they do -- the good thing is, they have a lot of cameras in those places, and they have caught some already having to do with that. I think that you will find out that they're paid by people that are very highly political on the left.
Pretty much, but it's become sharper. In other words, if I look at it from 20 years ago, it was similar, but it was much softer.
Meanwhile, it's because of Elon Musk, everything he did with SpaceX, that those astronauts, stranded for nine months, they're finally coming home, Mr. President. Your reaction to what's unfolding.
And you like -- you like when your staff secretary reads out the executive orders to you when you're signing it?
So, when I came in office, I said, Elon, we got to get them out. You have a rocket ship handy? How many people have a rocket? And Biden left them up. He abandoned them. We could have done this sooner, but Biden didn't want to, because he was embarrassed by what happened. So they were up there. They were supposed to be there for a few days.
I only do that for the media, for the fake news.
They were there for many months. And now they're coming back. But think of it. Elon's able to do that with his genius, and you have people that hate it. And I really believe these are people that hate our country. It's a big problem. But they don't -- there aren't so many of them. There are many more that love our country, and they love our country now more than they have maybe ever in their lives.
Oh, OK.
There's never been a movement like MAGA, like America first. Call it whatever you want to call it. This is the greatest movement in the history of politics.
This way. Yeah, they read it out. And, you know, I'll do now because I don't even have to move. I'll do them just -- I'll sit here, I'll do them, and you can do a lot. They get a kick when I'm doing other work and doing a news conference when you had another guy that couldn't name his favorite ice cream.
What's the next stop for the astronauts? Are they going to be coming to the White House?
They always used to ask him, "What's your favorite ice cream?" "Vanilla." Oh, great. He's done a press conference, ladies and gentlemen. It was crazy.
No, they're going to be -- number one, they have to get better. When you're up there, and you have no pull in your muscle, you have no gravity, you can lift 1,000 pounds like this -- they have to get better. It's going to be a little bit tough for them. It's not easy. They're up a long time. And when they do, they will come to the Oval Office.
Will you talk to him again, do you think? Joe Biden.
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Yeah, I'll talk to him. Sure.
They have a $60 billion trade deficit. China has like a $300 billion last year. You said it goes up -- when you can add it all up, it's a trillion.
Do you ever call any former --
Canada is --
You should see --
[No audio] -- way over 100, Canada. And here's my problem with Canada. Canada was --
President? Do you any -- call any of the former presidents?
[Audio continues] -- meant to be the 51st state, because we subsidize Canada by $200 billion a year. We don't need their cars. We don't need their lumber. We have a lot of lumber. We got -- we freed it up, as you know, last week. We're freeing it up, so that you can actually cut down a tree without being given the death penalty, because what these -- what these radical environmentalists have done to our country.
No, not much.
But we freed it up. But we don't need their lumber. We don't need their energy. We don't need anything. We certainly don't want their automobiles. They make a lot of -- millions of automobiles are sent in. I'd rather have them made in Michigan. I'd rather have them made in South Carolina or any one of our --
No.
But you're tougher with Canada than you are with some of our most -- our biggest adversaries. Why?
A lot was made out of the fact that I got along very well with President Obama, right? You saw that.
Only because -- only because it's meant to be our 51st state.
Yeah, it seems so.
OK, but we need --
I can -- you know, I can do things that a lot of people --
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You were friends with pretty much all of them at one point.
No, no, but listen to this for a second.
I just didn't like the job they did --
We need their territory. They have territorial advantage. We're not going to let them get close to China.
Yeah.
One of the most --
Because it's not about friends. I didn't like the job they did. They let our country down.
Right?
Look, I deal with every country indirectly or directly. One of the nastiest countries to deal with is Canada. The people that -- now, this was Trudeau. The people that -- good old Justin. I call him Governor Trudeau. He was -- his people were nasty. And they weren't telling the truth. They never told the truth.
You know that they say, well, we don't charge. Well, they do. They charge tremendous. They charge tremendous. And if you look at dairy products, what they have done to our farmers, I'd go up to Iowa. I'd go up to different places, Nebraska, and they would always complain about Canada, how they get ripped off.
Do you know that Canada has a 250 percent tariff, 250? Nobody knows that. They charge us numbers that are crazy.
But what's the endgame?
We have a very big deficit with Canada.
Sixty billion.
And there's no reason. Much more. We have much more.
I don't think so.
Just so you understand, we subsidize Canada. And I like Canada. I love Canada. I love Wayne Gretzky. I love his wife. I love every --
But now the Liberal guy is -- the Liberal Party is going to win now in the next election, most likely.
I don't care.
And they were -- they were on -- they were down and out.
I don't care. I don't care.
But isn't that going to be -- make them more hostile to us and possibly open the door --
No, I'd rather deal with a Liberal than a Conservative.
-- for China, closer to Canada? And that would really put us in a bind.
The Conservative that's running is stupidly no friend of mine. I don't know, but he said negative things. So, when he says negative things, I couldn't care less. I think it's easier to deal actually with a Liberal. And maybe they're going to win, but I don't really care. It doesn't matter to me at all.
So your endgame is what with them?
My endgame is, I don't want to have a big deficit. I don't want to see the United States of America -- and you say 60 and I say 200, but it doesn't matter. I don't want us to pay $60 billion or $200 billion to a country that, if they were a state, think of this, it would be our biggest, most beautiful. It would be great.
This state, it would be cherished. We'd take care of it. The people would pay half they're -- what they're paying right now. Canada -- you know, Canada pays very little for defense. We -- they think we're going to defend that.
We protect them.
What?
We protect them.
We protect them. We protect them. Do you know in NATO they pay less than anybody else? In everything else, they go -- we bought -- we're in the process of buying 48 icebreakers. All of a sudden, I see Canada's involved, where they're going to get a piece of them. I say, what are they paying? So I got tired of it. Here's the story.
I had one of the most successful economies. I had the most successful economy in the history of our country in my first four years. We did a great job, largest tax cuts ever, largest everything. We had right to try, where people were able to use drugs. Stupidly, for many years, they weren't able to use the far-reaching drugs, because they weren't approved yet.
Somebody's terminally ill, they couldn't do it. With me, they can do it. We did so many things. We rebuilt our military. Canada doesn't pay for military. They don't give anything. They give us nothing. And they are the worst people to negotiate with of everybody. They had the worst --
You got them with USMCA. You finally got them around the edge on that, though. You got them.
No, I got them there. And USMCA is good, but they cheat. An agreement's good, but they cheat. And Mexico cheats also.
But China cheated on your 2019 agreement.
Can I tell you what?
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Phase one, they totally cheated and dropped it with Biden. You had a great deal.
When Biden took over, he didn't push them. I would call up once every two weeks, saying, you're not living up to the agreement, and they'd buy more corn, more this. So the most we ever did was $15 billion with China, the farmers and everything, and manufacturing.
Yes.
I had them up to $50 billion. And they were doing it. When Biden did it -- do you think Biden called up President Xi and said, you're screwing us?